I'm going with Duff McKagan's Loaded, using the following shaky criteria:
We're pretty much talking about albums here and Morricone's music wasn't made to be listened to on an album. It's great for movies and hearing in the background at a thrift store, but I didn't really enjoy listening to it on my computer at work. There's no flow to the album because it wasn't written as an album. I realize "album" is all old-fogie and whatnot, but I still listen to music that way, so that's what I'm going with.
The Taking, on the other hand, is not something I'd say I like to listen to, but it was actually more enjoyable to listen to than a huge collection of important movie music from different movies in different eras. It rocks and has some good F. U. rock'n'roll lyrics and, like Karl said, it's "hard rock." Who makes hard rock anymore?
I'll probably never listen to either of these ever again.
Karl - you better vote on this one or I'm going to be lurking outside your window at an unexpected time, smearing chipmunk corpses on the glass...
I'm also voting for Duff on mostly the same principles. As I was listening to Ennio, I just kept thinking, man, this just sounds so much like film music. I mean, sure, it actually is film music, but the critique still stands.
I'm not really crazy about Duff's voice or lyrics, but I can say there were a few tunes I thought were pretty catchy, and the music was tight. Sometimes I do like my rock hard. Maybe I'm really just voting for Duff as a vote against Karl's abstinence, but as Duff would probably say, if you don't like it, then suck it.
Of course, I am a Duffaholic, and therefore will be voting for The Taking.
Ennio had some things that I did enjoy, but I found myself wondering what part of the movies the music would be playing during. Probably the only real issue I had what there was too much pan flute. If I wanted that, I'd listen to Zamfir. As one who likes to listen to background music, I was a little surprised that it didn't fit well for that.
Duff on the other hand is one of the few artists that is pretty much guaranteed to make me feel good. I like his voice, it is no Bieber, but it has a lot of heart. You can't argue with 'We Win' or 'Indian Summer' on this album, and his other albums always have some magic. I was always most intrigued with Izzy and Duff in GnR, and am glad they still know how to do their own thing. Plus, the guy has a head on his shoulders. Don't forget to check out his new band Walking Papers.
Et tu, Sarah?!? Are you people serious? Are you really all such Philistines? Morricone is a genius. I actually own the soundtrack to "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" (on vinyl even). I enjoy putting it on when I am doing paperwork or cleaning up...It's epic and timeless and so romantically evocative of grand Western landscapes and brave, nameless gunslingers. Duff?!? Duff?? I like the animated beer and all, but this is no animated beer. This crap reminds me of my first high school job as a school custodian, and what the other rubes I worked with would make me listen to along with The Scorpions and Iron Maiden and White Snake before I was allowed to put in the one Violent Femmes tape in our giant duffle bag of cassettes. Sigh. "Lords of Abaddon"?!? "Dead Skin"?!? "Cocaine"?!? Really??? Sigh.
What is wrong with someone singing songs about the struggles to change their lifestyle? That surely isn't considered a lazy thing for a musician to do?
And I guess, using biblical imagery to say there are issues with society today, wouldn't sit well with those who find the lawless old west romantic.
Or I guess maybe it is crap because it's too loud?? That's fair I guess... I'll buy you a glass of prune juice and we can discuss it further.
on a serious note... one can complain other songs, but 'We Win' is untouchable!
I hear ya, pagey. I personally enjoy a lot of Iggy Pop's latter-day output, which could easily be categorized as loud, crappy hard rock. But I have a history with Iggy, so ya know, it's different. I will take you up on that prune juice, though...
Oh shit. Okay, to avoid chipmunk corpses, I'll vote.
I took a ride from a cool dude who worked at Facebook, and Morricone was playing, and I was all, THIS IS AWESOME WHAT IS THIS.
(He also was playing Black Keys, and I was like, THIS IS AWESOME WHAT IS THIS.)
Whereas if he had been playing Duff I think I would have said, WHAT IS THIS LET ME OUT OF THE CAR.
I think it comes down to simple aesthetic bias here, and I'm not a big enough man to break out of it: Weird ethnic spaghetti western film music = different and cool; stuff that sounds like it would play well on ANY radio station ANYwhere in the country = not cool.
Screw my criteria.
I've had "We Win" stuck in my head all day, though, and have been enjoying it. It is . . . refined hard rock. Hard Gem.
Don't be surprised at Sarah's betrayal, Eric. She loves rock and roll and always has.
This is a "music" death match, not an "album" death match. Bruce put that in your head. ("We're pretty much talking about albums here and Morricone's music wasn't made to be listened to on an album." - Bruce) By similar logic, _50 Shades of Gray_ or _This Present Darkness_ beats out _The Bible_ or a lengthy collection of W.H. Auden poetry in the Literature Death Match because The Bible and a collection of poetry aren't very good novels and weren't meant to be consumed all in one sitting. "Shaky criteria" indeed. And Andrew's logic??? ("...this just sounds so much like film music. I mean, sure, it actually is film music, but the critique still stands.") We're getting pretty close to Jack Handey "Deep Thoughts" territory here. On similar grounds let me suggest: "As I was listening to McKagan, I just kept thinking: this sounds so much like totally crappy hard rock. I mean, sure, it actually is totally crappy hard rock, but the critique stills stands." Crappy criteria indeed.
I knew the album word was murky waters, but album or no, I enjoyed listening to Duff more than Morricone. I'd probably enjoy reading 50 Shades of Gray or This Present Darkness more than the entire Bible right now, too.
But what is this, "enjoying music death match" or something?
In my defense, I never used the word logic. In fact, I considered my comments rather unlogical. Except for the part about "suck it". I am pretty sure that's logically what Duff would say. BTW, this has turned into one of my favorite matches. One hour to hear from other folks. Morricone still stands a chance!
First off the song titles from Duff are quite promising, starting with “Lords of Abandon” and ending with “Follow Me to Hell” it sounds like some classic metal is entailed…..what’s that you say? Oh, “Lords of Abbadon?” Oh, he’s getting all mystical and biblical on us, alright. This dude “holds the keys to tragedy.”
Morricone: A lotta twang. Whoa Exorcist II song is zany. Uccellacci e uccellini….pretty rad….like a crazy opera. Here’s to You is a catchy little number.
Interesting… I just read Karl’s manifesto on good music, and while I can agree on many things, there are two things that immediately struck me that I disagreed with while listening to Ennio. I disliked the “spectacular” sounding tracks (the ones that sounded like they could be from “Star Wars”) and I liked the ones that sounded like the they required little “technical” skill. These are the ones like the ones with whistling and twangy guitar playing that many of us here on death match could’ve banged out when we were 19 on our imitation Stratocasters (even though most of us have now progressed in our technical virtuawesomeness that we are up there with Duff and Slash in our shredding abilities). And the one where a guy makes a frog noise (“wha”) over and over again is pretty good too. I vote Morricone.
OHHHHH but you'd be wrong Karl! I don't what time it is. What time is it? Am I late? Am I early?
Ahh shit, looks like we have another tie. Karl, why did you have to quit abstaining? Does this mean I can count your vote for Head and the Heart? Joe, what are you doing--going out to Brooklyn parties / shows and then using MDM as an excuse to leave at a reasonable time? FTLOATG, someone else please vote.
Yes, Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds does deserve to be on the list, and next year I promise to put it on. It is queued up as the next album I'm playing tonight, in honor of you.
vs.
Duff McKagan: No, thank you. Ennio Morricone: Yes, please.
ReplyDeleteI vote for Morricone.
It's "hard rock revival." Just like Sharon Jones.
DeleteYeah, Eric.
DeleteYeah, Eric.
Delete2 hours and 26 minutes of Morricone??? That shits loooooonnnnng. I might need an extension.
ReplyDeleteJust listen to a couple at random. It's pretty much all the same.
DeleteYes. But mostly good sameness.
DeleteI'm going with Morricone. Apologies to Duff McKagan. Still better than Jimmy Buffett, though. (I used Karl's criteria, FYI)
ReplyDeleteI'm going with Duff McKagan's Loaded, using the following shaky criteria:
ReplyDeleteWe're pretty much talking about albums here and Morricone's music wasn't made to be listened to on an album. It's great for movies and hearing in the background at a thrift store, but I didn't really enjoy listening to it on my computer at work. There's no flow to the album because it wasn't written as an album. I realize "album" is all old-fogie and whatnot, but I still listen to music that way, so that's what I'm going with.
The Taking, on the other hand, is not something I'd say I like to listen to, but it was actually more enjoyable to listen to than a huge collection of important movie music from different movies in different eras. It rocks and has some good F. U. rock'n'roll lyrics and, like Karl said, it's "hard rock." Who makes hard rock anymore?
I'll probably never listen to either of these ever again.
Karl - you better vote on this one or I'm going to be lurking outside your window at an unexpected time, smearing chipmunk corpses on the glass...
I'm also voting for Duff on mostly the same principles. As I was listening to Ennio, I just kept thinking, man, this just sounds so much like film music. I mean, sure, it actually is film music, but the critique still stands.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really crazy about Duff's voice or lyrics, but I can say there were a few tunes I thought were pretty catchy, and the music was tight. Sometimes I do like my rock hard. Maybe I'm really just voting for Duff as a vote against Karl's abstinence, but as Duff would probably say, if you don't like it, then suck it.
Of course, I am a Duffaholic, and therefore will be voting for The Taking.
ReplyDeleteEnnio had some things that I did enjoy, but I found myself wondering what part of the movies the music would be playing during. Probably the only real issue I had what there was too much pan flute. If I wanted that, I'd listen to Zamfir. As one who likes to listen to background music, I was a little surprised that it didn't fit well for that.
Duff on the other hand is one of the few artists that is pretty much guaranteed to make me feel good. I like his voice, it is no Bieber, but it has a lot of heart. You can't argue with 'We Win' or 'Indian Summer' on this album, and his other albums always have some magic. I was always most intrigued with Izzy and Duff in GnR, and am glad they still know how to do their own thing.
Plus, the guy has a head on his shoulders. Don't forget to check out his new band Walking Papers.
Not feeling entirely passionate about either, I'm persuaded by Bruce & Andrew's logic. Duff for me.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm actually sorta looking forward to listening to Duff again, both for novelty and fun.
DeleteEt tu, Sarah?!? Are you people serious? Are you really all such Philistines? Morricone is a genius. I actually own the soundtrack to "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" (on vinyl even). I enjoy putting it on when I am doing paperwork or cleaning up...It's epic and timeless and so romantically evocative of grand Western landscapes and brave, nameless gunslingers. Duff?!? Duff?? I like the animated beer and all, but this is no animated beer. This crap reminds me of my first high school job as a school custodian, and what the other rubes I worked with would make me listen to along with The Scorpions and Iron Maiden and White Snake before I was allowed to put in the one Violent Femmes tape in our giant duffle bag of cassettes. Sigh. "Lords of Abaddon"?!? "Dead Skin"?!? "Cocaine"?!? Really??? Sigh.
ReplyDeleteSee Bruce & Andrew's logic. Morricone is a genius, sure, but this isn't an album.
DeleteWhat is wrong with someone singing songs about the struggles to change their lifestyle? That surely isn't considered a lazy thing for a musician to do?
DeleteAnd I guess, using biblical imagery to say there are issues with society today, wouldn't sit well with those who find the lawless old west romantic.
Or I guess maybe it is crap because it's too loud?? That's fair I guess... I'll buy you a glass of prune juice and we can discuss it further.
on a serious note... one can complain other songs, but 'We Win' is untouchable!
I hear ya, pagey. I personally enjoy a lot of Iggy Pop's latter-day output, which could easily be categorized as loud, crappy hard rock. But I have a history with Iggy, so ya know, it's different. I will take you up on that prune juice, though...
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DeleteDuff Loves Iggy Loves Duff
Let's play Brick by Brick while we have our drink
Sounds like a plan.
DeleteOh shit. Okay, to avoid chipmunk corpses, I'll vote.
ReplyDeleteI took a ride from a cool dude who worked at Facebook, and Morricone was playing, and I was all, THIS IS AWESOME WHAT IS THIS.
(He also was playing Black Keys, and I was like, THIS IS AWESOME WHAT IS THIS.)
Whereas if he had been playing Duff I think I would have said, WHAT IS THIS LET ME OUT OF THE CAR.
I think it comes down to simple aesthetic bias here, and I'm not a big enough man to break out of it: Weird ethnic spaghetti western film music = different and cool; stuff that sounds like it would play well on ANY radio station ANYwhere in the country = not cool.
Screw my criteria.
I've had "We Win" stuck in my head all day, though, and have been enjoying it. It is . . . refined hard rock. Hard Gem.
Don't be surprised at Sarah's betrayal, Eric. She loves rock and roll and always has.
This is a "music" death match, not an "album" death match. Bruce put that in your head. ("We're pretty much talking about albums here and Morricone's music wasn't made to be listened to on an album." - Bruce) By similar logic, _50 Shades of Gray_ or _This Present Darkness_ beats out _The Bible_ or a lengthy collection of W.H. Auden poetry in the Literature Death Match because The Bible and a collection of poetry aren't very good novels and weren't meant to be consumed all in one sitting. "Shaky criteria" indeed. And Andrew's logic??? ("...this just sounds so much like film music. I mean, sure, it actually is film music, but the critique still stands.") We're getting pretty close to Jack Handey "Deep Thoughts" territory here. On similar grounds let me suggest: "As I was listening to McKagan, I just kept thinking: this sounds so much like totally crappy hard rock. I mean, sure, it actually is totally crappy hard rock, but the critique stills stands." Crappy criteria indeed.
ReplyDeleteI knew the album word was murky waters, but album or no, I enjoyed listening to Duff more than Morricone. I'd probably enjoy reading 50 Shades of Gray or This Present Darkness more than the entire Bible right now, too.
DeleteBut what is this, "enjoying music death match" or something?
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DeleteGood old Bruce two comment.
DeleteOh man! Who else read "This Present Darkness"? My mother said it was really really good and I should read it, and I did.
DeleteIn my defense, I never used the word logic. In fact, I considered my comments rather unlogical. Except for the part about "suck it". I am pretty sure that's logically what Duff would say. BTW, this has turned into one of my favorite matches. One hour to hear from other folks. Morricone still stands a chance!
ReplyDeleteOne more hour, sure, but no one is awake at this time PDT.
DeleteFirst off the song titles from Duff are quite promising, starting with “Lords of Abandon” and ending with “Follow Me to Hell” it sounds like some classic metal is entailed…..what’s that you say? Oh, “Lords of Abbadon?” Oh, he’s getting all mystical and biblical on us, alright.
ReplyDeleteThis dude “holds the keys to tragedy.”
Morricone:
A lotta twang. Whoa Exorcist II song is zany. Uccellacci e uccellini….pretty rad….like a crazy opera.
Here’s to You is a catchy little number.
Interesting… I just read Karl’s manifesto on good music, and while I can agree on many things, there are two things that immediately struck me that I disagreed with while listening to Ennio. I disliked the “spectacular” sounding tracks (the ones that sounded like they could be from “Star Wars”) and I liked the ones that sounded like the they required little “technical” skill. These are the ones like the ones with whistling and twangy guitar playing that many of us here on death match could’ve banged out when we were 19 on our imitation Stratocasters (even though most of us have now progressed in our technical virtuawesomeness that we are up there with Duff and Slash in our shredding abilities). And the one where a guy makes a frog noise (“wha”) over and over again is pretty good too.
I vote Morricone.
OHHHHH but you'd be wrong Karl! I don't what time it is. What time is it? Am I late? Am I early?
In Japan it is tomorrow!!!!
DeleteAhh shit, looks like we have another tie. Karl, why did you have to quit abstaining? Does this mean I can count your vote for Head and the Heart? Joe, what are you doing--going out to Brooklyn parties / shows and then using MDM as an excuse to leave at a reasonable time? FTLOATG, someone else please vote.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to be that guy... Joe's vote was late. Duff and I are yelling "we win, we win, we win, we win, yeah we win".
ReplyDeleteI'm voting for Duff. But frankly I'm appalled that MVB went with this over Izzy Stradlin self titled as a G n R solo album entry.
ReplyDeleteYes, Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds does deserve to be on the list, and next year I promise to put it on. It is queued up as the next album I'm playing tonight, in honor of you.
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